Overdue cards shown BEFORE Learning cards. Would like other way around.
Hi, all.
I just noticed that Overdue cards are shown BEFORE Learning
cards.
This does not seem right because the Learning cards, IMO, have more
urgency.
Yes, I can use Filtered deck, but an option "Show Learning cards
< Overdue" would be a neater solution. It can be turned off to
review Overdue cards.
What do you think ?
Vit
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1 Posted by mnhende2 on 15 Jan, 2014 11:17 PM
@Vit: I too would love to see that Anki includes an option to "Show
learning/relearning cards first." This would be a really nice feature
for those who extensively use multi-day learning and lapse steps. I
wrote Damien a while ago and tried to make my best case for it, and as
I recall, he said he put it on the project board. Not as a high
urgency thing, but something that may happen in the future. So, it is
at least under consideration and may eventually become a user
selectable option, but for now you have to try to find ways around it
which isn't easy. The best thing (from experience) is to finish 100%
of your daily reviews everyday so that you never have learning cards in
multi-day steps back up. Because those are the cards (in my
experience) most likely to be forgotten (highest urgency), but since
they aren't shown until the end, if you don't finish your reviews, you
are missing these urgent cards.
Also, I have found that since they are at the end of the reviews, it is
often when my brain is most tired. Meaning my recall is the weakest
(another benefit to being able to see them early during the review),
but the point is that I have found that it is *generally* better to try
to see them on time with a somewhat tired brain than to risk not
getting to them for a few days. But that of course depends on exactly
how tired I am.
Best,
mnhende2
2 Posted by Soren Bjornstad on 16 Jan, 2014 01:54 AM
What do you mean by "overdue" cards?
3 Posted by Christian Klein... on 16 Jan, 2014 04:07 PM
I think "overdue" cards are cards that are shedule towards a day before today. I think the better conclusion would be to make relative overdueness the standard way of card sorting.
4 Posted by Vit on 16 Jan, 2014 09:33 PM
What is Overdue card?
Manual does not have a Definition :-); even though it is very clear in every day use, but inside Anki it could be different, with some subtle nuances.
Anyway, it is a card which were Due but was not reviewed.
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Yes, I could move all Overdue cards to a Filtered deck and study the remaining Learning cards. { BTW, I like Aleksej's term "in-Learning" better then "Learning" }.
But most of time there is a Small batch of them; and they get in the way of Learning cards.
Damien acknowledges, -- in the Manual-- the Learning card's urgency:
Quote "Cards in learning ..... they are somewhat time critical, ...". So, there is a hope :-)
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@mnhende2
1. Yes, the tiredness is a BIG factor,according to Wozniak ( as if it's not obvious ).
2. Multi-day steps. I discovered it in one of Chilla's posts ( later, saw it in Manual ).
Love them. What I love about them - you can Change the Step on the fly { 'o' } !!!
I can Quickly fling a card 30d forward, if Anki does not offer such Next Interval.
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@ Christian
I've suggested the Overduennes for Normal decks. Damien rejected it.
He also rejected treating New cards ( created days ago but never reviewed ) as Overdue cards ( an increased Interval would apply to them ). But there is an Add-on to add more Rating buttons ( with user defined Intervals ).
Christian, by "way of sorting" do you mean: Scheduling more urgent cards first ?
5 Posted by mnhende2 on 16 Jan, 2014 10:40 PM
@vrem2003: Another reason I've really found multi-day steps helpful is
that I use the Lapses > "New Interval" feature. I recommend using this
if you haven't, especially for decks with lots of mature cards.
Anyhow, if I have a card, that I've known well and known for a
long-time and then lapse it. I don't want to have to truly start the
entire card over. So, the "New Interval" feature allows for the new
interval for that card to be a certain percentage of its original
interval. This saves me a number of reviews, but at the same time, I
don't really want it jumping from lapsed, right back to a five month
interval for example. So, I have my lapse steps at something like 1,
3, 9, 20 days and then it goes to the "new interval" amount. Often
jumping it back up to six months or more. But I figure if I've gotten
it right during those lapse steps, then it is safe to jump back up to
the "new interval" amount.
Note though, that Anki does have a scheduling problem/bug when a card
exits from lapse steps to the "new interval" amount. Even though it
says it will jump back to say... six months, and it updates the
"interval" value in Anki as 6 months, in reality is usually reschedules
the card for the next day. And when you get it correct the next day,
even though it was actually only one day later, Anki interprets it as
having been answered correctly after a 6 month interval and then will
reschedule the card for something like 9 months out.
Damien knows this and has is on the project board to fix. So, this
scheduling bug is only temporary, but for now, the closest thing you
can do to work around it is to suppress that "New Interval" percentage
a bit more than you might normally like. Not ideal, but still a nice
feature. I recommend trying it if you haven't yet. And then when the
problem does get fixed you could probably push that "new interval"
percentage up some.
Best,
mnhende2
6 Posted by Vit on 19 Jan, 2014 03:48 AM
Thanks again, mnhende2, for sharing your experience.
Deleted 1, 2.
This how I handle the Lapsed cards). A. I have this table in the Options---Description Tab :
1d= 1440
3d 4320
4d 5760
5 7200
6 8640
7 10080
8 11520
9 12960
15 21600
20 28800
30 43200 and so on.
B. When Anki does not have an Acceptable Interval, I do:
'O' shortcut----Type the Step.
This method is faster and easier then rescheduling ( of a single Lapsed card ) .
Cheers
Vit
7 Posted by mnhende2 on 19 Jan, 2014 08:18 AM
@Vit: Creative solution ("O" > paste in new interval) to get the exact
next lapse step you want!
Best!
Vit closed this discussion on 20 Jan, 2014 05:12 PM.